With psychologist Yun-Ru and Azure Mulo — a medium that believes in science, and a psychologist who cannot perceive the non-material world — come together to discuss how to stay grounded in this world.
Topics in This Session:
1．Hidden Pitfalls in Spiritual Learning/Courses
2．What Risks Come with Spiritual Services?
3．Ethical Issues from a Psychologist’s Perspective
Guidelines:
1．To ensure everyone has a fair chance to speak, each person is limited to three minutes.
2．Different perspectives are welcome, and everyone's experiences should be respected—please avoid using attacking or confrontational language.
3．When sharing, be mindful of your own feelings and the depth of your content. This space does not offer online readings or counseling services.
My dear friend, psychologist Yun-Ru Chen, and I will be hosting on Clubhouse on 2/23 at 9:30. Moving forward, we plan to hold these talks every other Tuesday evening (2/23, 3/09, 3/23… and so on), each time covering a different topic and opening the floor for listener questions.
不需要化妝打扮只要收聽和講話真的是太方便了！
No need to dress up—just tune in and join the conversation! It’s effortless and convenient.
我過去很多文章的心得和感受，都是和韻如聊天聊出來的哈哈，我們就想，既然我們平常講話就嘰嘰呱呱的說不完，不如跟大家一起分享吧！
Many of the insights and reflections in my blog posts have come from my conversations with Yun-Ru. Since we always have so much to talk about, we thought—why not share our discussions live with everyone?
一．我強烈建議大家想追尋什麼的時候，先顧及身體。身體是一個容器，像是一張網，當我們關注身體健康、作息和飲食、運動等等，好好照顧身體全方面的狀態之後，身體的能量會更密集扎實，才能接下宇宙給的大能量、豐盛的禮物。如果平常缺乏對身體的關注，身體的能量就會鬆散，像是破損的錢包，那麼宇宙給多好的能量、運勢，都會流失掉。
1. I strongly recommend prioritizing your physical well-being before pursuing anything else in life. The body is a vessel, much like a net—when we prioritize our physical well-being, including rest, diet, and exercise, our energy becomes stronger and more grounded. Only then can we fully receive the great energy, abundant gifts and good fortune from the universe.
If we neglect our physical health, our energy becomes scattered, like a worn-out wallet—no matter how much good fortune or energy the universe sends, it will leak away.
二．人體的能量場在身體外四面八方一隻手臂左右的寬度，理想中的能量場應該像是果凍或者水煮蛋，Q彈的有一個既定的領域，可以保護我們不受環境干擾。
2. The human energy field radiates outward from the body in all directions, extending to about an arm’s length. Ideally, this field should be like jelly or a soft-boiled egg—flexible, with a defined boundary, providing protection from external disturbances.
但是當我們長期處於壓力下，尤其現代人資訊量過多，太多人密集相處也容易心浮氣躁，當我們花太多時間整理資訊和想法，甚至不自覺的跟別人比較，很容易越來越焦慮。過多的思考，會使我們前額這塊能量變得僵化，像是成為水泥一樣失去彈性。
However, when we are under constant stress—especially in the modern world, where we’re bombarded with excessive information and constantly surrounded by people—it’s easy to become restless and agitated. When we spend too much time processing information, comparing ourselves to others, or overthinking, anxiety builds up.
固化的能量會帶來固執、浮躁、易怒和不知變通和諸多後遺症。因此適當的運動，把注意力放在體感上，或者透過按摩自己的肌膚、按摩穴道等等，能夠讓我們把能量分散到身體各處，不僅能加強我們與身體的親密度，也能讓大腦減壓，減少能量卡在頭部的現象。
Excessive thinking causes the energy in our frontal area to become rigid, like cement, losing its flexibility. A rigid energy field can lead to stubbornness, irritability, and an inability to adapt. That’s why activities like exercise, focusing on physical sensations, or even massaging ourselves and our acupunture points help redistribute energy throughout the body. These practices not only strengthen our connection with our physical selves but also relieve stress and prevent energy from becoming stuck in our heads.
我們的身體是有意識的，只是我們平常習慣用頭腦決策而忽視身體的感受。我曾經看過不少案例是，同學的大腦想著要成功、成長，努力地鞭策自己而忽視飲食和身體的承受度，有的人的身體會因此心懷怨恨，覺得被壓榨和長期的過勞了，身體開始累積病氣，像是小孩賭氣一般，決定在將來一段時間後重病一場，要癱瘓全部的生活強迫當事者回來關注身體的需求。
Our bodies have their own consciousness, yet we often make decisions with our minds, ignoring physical needs. I’ve seen many cases where people push themselves toward success and growth, relentlessly striving while neglecting their diet and physical limits. Some people’s bodies begin to ‘hold a grudge,’ feeling exploited and overworked. Over time, this builds up as illness, much like a petulant child who decides to force a full shutdown in the future—compelling the person to return and pay attention to their body’s needs.
我們不需要累積壓力到這種程度啦，不如在生活上有意識地照顧自己，定時釋放壓力就好。
We don’t have to let things escalate to that point. Instead, we can consciously take care of ourselves and release stress regularly.
三．我知道很多人都有收靈界訊息的能力，或者在做這方面相關的訓練。我想提醒大家一下，靈界能量一直是雙向的，就像一扇門打開，風會吹進來，屋內也會有氣流出去。你接受了什麼，同時也會給出什麼的，只是你有沒有意識到而已。
3. I know that many people have the ability to receive messages from the spiritual world or are undergoing related training. I’d like to remind everyone that energy from the spiritual realm is always two-way. It’s like opening a door: when the wind comes in, air also flows out. When you receive something, you also offer something in return, whether you're conscious of it or not.
四．我個人平時是不太會收訊息的，也就是不會那麼常開啟「門」。我都花很多時間和自己相處，整理我的思緒和感受，我比較喜歡保有個人的空間，不然靈界資訊量太大，很多眾生就像人類，有的心懷鬼胎，有的狡詐，有的會偽裝。當然也是有好的存有會提供幫助，但是我的經驗上是，好的存有會尊重我們的生活，很有界線，甚至話不多，都是點到為止。
4. Personally, I don’t often actively receive messages, meaning I don’t frequently open the “door.” I spend a lot of time being with myself, reflecting on my thoughts and feelings. I prefer to maintain personal space; otherwise, the energy from the spiritual realm can be overwhelming. Just like humans, some beings have hidden agendas, some are deceitful, and others may disguise themselves. Of course, there are also benevolent beings that offer help, but in my experience, they respect our lives, keep clear boundaries, and often talk little, only offering subtle guidance, allowing us to think and make our own choices.
五．反而不好的眾生，祂們其實是弱小而且需要覓食的，祂們會渴望從人的身上得到好處，所以會格外殷勤的諂媚給好處，給一大堆跟你有關無關的靈界訊息，甚至是別人的隱私。當我們信賴這樣的眾生，光是信任——就會和對方產生能量管道，祂給你想要的資訊，然後從你身上拿到能量食物。
5. On the other hand, beings with ill intentions are actually weak and need to feed. They seek to gain benefits from humans, so they will be especially eager to flatter you by giving a lot of spiritual messages, often irrelevant to you, and even invade others' privacy. When we trust these beings, just by the act of trust itself, an energetic connection is created. They provide the information you want, and in return, they feed off your energy.
六．請記得，你是有選擇權的。你可以觀察互動的眾生，如果你和祂連結非常容易累，或者感覺精神變差，祂成為主導而你成為被操控的，嚴重影響你的日常生活，你是可以停止合作的，就是再也不理對方。
6. Please remember, you have the right to choose. Observe the beings you interact with: if you feel drained or less energetic easily when connecting with them, or if they become dominant and you feel controlled, severely impacting your daily life, you have the right to cut the connection—simply disregard them from that point onward.
七．我的靈界導師們在靈界上課，也就是我早點睡覺就會去上課啦，祂們都是引導我持續的關注自己，我可以嘗試所有的行為，祂們就在旁邊靜靜的看，當我摸索過一輪，祂們再問我說，喜歡什麼，不喜歡什麼？這些感受之下的理由是什麼，你更認識自己了嗎？我們的課程中只有我與自己的關係和連結，與其他存有無關。
7. My spiritual guides conduct classes in the spiritual realm, which means that when I go to bed early, I join those classes. They always guide me to continuously focus on myself. I’m free to experiment with any actions or choices, and they just silently watch. After I have explored for a while, they ask me: what do you like, what don’t you like? What are the reasons behind these feelings? Have you gotten to know yourself better? In our class, it’s only about the relationship and connection I have with myself, unrelated to any other beings.
也是這樣的關係，讓我對現代心理學產生莫大的好奇，我開始想研究心理學和靈界的關係——而確實，我所見到現在任職的心理師、醫護人員等等，他們的靈魂在天上就是在做相關的工作，只是把祂們的天賦帶下來，變成現有的助人系統。
This has sparked my great curiosity about psychology. I started to study the connection between psychology and the spiritual realm—and indeed, I’ve found that the souls of the psychologists, doctors, nurses, and others are already engaged in similar work in the spiritual realm. They simply bring their talents into this world, transforming them into the current support systems.
分享韻如的紀錄：
Below is Yun-Ru’s Reflection:
【A Conversation Between a Psychologist and a Medium】
I, as a psychologist trained in scientific education, and Azure, as a medium who perceives aspects of the world that science cannot yet explain, we shared insights and perspectives from our respective fields on Clubhouse, exploring different viewpoints.
I am deeply grateful to Azure’s community for compiling multiple versions of notes from our Clubhouse discussion. The following content is based on three sets of transcriptions, along with my own refinements and additions to better articulate my thoughts.
The content of this article is for reference only. Feel free to take what is helpful for you.
■ My Personal Perspective of Counseling
1.
Psychological counseling focuses more on the deeper meaning behind events rather than just the outcome. During sessions, we pay close attention to the process and the client’s experience, helping them explore their emotions, as well as the impact and lasting effects of these events.
For example, due to the event, a client may develop beliefs such as:
"I will never trust anyone again."
"I am incapable."
….etc.
The general approach in counseling is to help clients revisit their past wounds from a place of greater strength in the present—one where they are no longer the defeated and powerless version of themselves. In a safe environment, they can care for their past traumatized selves and reintegrate into the present.
2.
Counseling is a discipline that integrates science and art. With a foundation in science, counseling provides appropriate interventions tailored to the client’s current situation, incorporating various therapeutic approaches and addressing the individual's current needs. For example, guided exploration, reflective questioning, encouragement and invitations to explore new perspectives, or engaging in daily exercises and experiments—all of which help clients care for and empower their wounded selves.
Guide clients to revisit and integrate their past experiences, encouraging them to develop awareness, make conscious choices, and take responsibility in order to stabilize their sense of autonomy and inner strength.
3.
As psychology counseling varies in approaches and frameworks, each psychologist has their own ultimate goals for therapy. Take myself for example:
I, as a psychologist trained in scientific education, and Azure, as a medium who perceives aspects of the world that science cannot yet explain, we shared insights and perspectives from our respective fields on Clubhouse, exploring different viewpoints.
I am deeply grateful to Azure’s community for compiling multiple versions of notes from our Clubhouse discussion. The following content is based on three sets of transcriptions, along with my own refinements and additions to better articulate my thoughts.
The content of this article is for reference only. Feel free to take what is helpful for you.
■ My Personal Perspective of Counseling
1.
Psychological counseling focuses more on the deeper meaning behind events rather than just the outcome. During sessions, we pay close attention to the process and the client’s experience, helping them explore their emotions, as well as the impact and lasting effects of these events.
For example, due to the event, a client may develop beliefs such as:
"I will never trust anyone again."
"I am incapable."
….etc.
The general approach in counseling is to help clients revisit their past wounds from a place of greater strength in the present—one where they are no longer the defeated and powerless version of themselves. In a safe environment, they can care for their past traumatized selves and reintegrate into the present.
2.
Counseling is a discipline that integrates science and art. With a foundation in science, counseling provides appropriate interventions tailored to the client’s current situation, incorporating various therapeutic approaches and addressing the individual's current needs. For example, guided exploration, reflective questioning, encouragement and invitations to explore new perspectives, or engaging in daily exercises and experiments—all of which help clients care for and empower their wounded selves.
Guide clients to revisit and integrate their past experiences, encouraging them to develop awareness, make conscious choices, and take responsibility in order to stabilize their sense of autonomy and inner strength.
3.
As psychology counseling varies in approaches and frameworks, each psychologist has their own ultimate goals for therapy. Take myself for example:
Short-term goals: Impact from recent events (Understanding), discussing these experiences (Recognizing), and making improvements (Initial steps) → Regaining stability in daily life.
Mid-term goals: What disruptions and changes has the event brought to the client’s life? Regarding deeply ingrained patterns of suffering, what changes does the client wish to make? How to develop responses to cope with the changes and disruptions from the event? → Enhance awareness, make conscious choices, and begin processing their experiences.Long-term goals: Exploring oneself—Who am I ? How do I relate to the world? How I perceive myself and my surroundings → Guiding clients through self-exploration, recognizing their unique essence and identity, reclaiming a sense of control, and strengthening their vitality and autonomy.
Of course, short-, mid-, and long-term goals may be addressed simultaneously in a single counseling session, depending on the client's needs and responses.
Psychological counseling provides companionship, support, expanded perspectives, and fosters personal growth and adaptability. Any decisions made throughout the process are discussed and clarified with the client. Through structured dialogues, this helps clients regain a sense of capability and stability.
(Soothing and reconnecting with past selves → Integrating and grounding in the present → Moving forward to the next step.)
(The principle behind this process shares similarities with "Shou-Jing".)
4.
Quoted Passages from book In This Moment, Meeting You with Genuinity—Deep Reflections of a Gestalt Therapist (Tentative Translation) by Zhong-Wei Cao
Level 1: Awareness at the level of consciousness and cognition
Level 2: Awareness of emotions and needs
Level 3: Awareness of the primal energy within oneself that has never been accessed—meeting the true self
"When I can effectively harness and utilize all my energy, I become an integrated being, filled with love and joy."
"Experiential therapy emphasizes experiences in the here and now. When you truly experience something, it has the opportunity to be integrated into your inner system, leading to genuine transformation."
5.
Quoted Passages from the Book Psychology and Religion by Carl G. Jung
Religion is an inherent function of the unconscious mind. If forcely suppressed, it triggers unconscious backlash, often manifesting as psychoneurosis. Jung believed that this was the primary reason for the widespread anxiety and restlessness in European society at the time, particularly in Germany.
Additionally, through observing patients' recovery processes, Jung discovered that religious rituals serve a protective function, shielding the psyche from the overwhelmness of direct experience. In many cases of psychoneurosis, patients miraculously recovered through confession, prayer, and other religious practices without medication.
Personal POV:
Religion itself is neither good nor bad; what matters is understanding the underlying system of operation and the personal choices one makes. At the end of the day, each person’s life is their own journey; we can only live for ourselves.
6.
As a therapist, maintaining a high level of self-awareness and strong professional boundaries is essential. When I notice that my personal experiences are influencing my work, or that I can no longer accompany my clients with genuine authenticity, it signals the need for supervision or a discussion about referral.
We must always remember that we, too, are human. Recognizing our limitations requires honesty with ourselves. At the same time, we must carefully consider the impact our role has on clients—every intervention must be assessed based on the client’s state and response.
7.
Reminder: Are you led by fear and threats, or are you moving forward in connection with your body and mind? How much power have you given away to others? Are you making your own decisions, choices, and taking responsibility for them?
In the face of uncertainty, it's natural to seek reassuring answers or guidance, as anything that gives us a sense of calm and security is considered helpful.
Neuroplasticity allows for change, and your future continuously evolves with each present moment you experience.
Be mindful of whom you seek support from, maintain your autonomy while staying connected to others. When we are hurt or traumatized, we often seek connections to remind ourselves that we are not alone in our struggles. This sense of support gives us the strength to face challenges again. At times, the longing for religious or spiritual connection arises from the need to find security and confidence in a greater power.
8.
The body itself holds great wisdom—it carries your life and provides clues for deeper self-understanding.
So, how is your relationship with your body? How is your relationship with yourself?
■ Azure’s Perspective as a Medium
1.
Traditional religions were institutions established in past eras to provide solace and to address people's inner needs. As time has progressed and information has become more systematized, many souls have integrated their past experiences and understanding of human nature, transforming them into fields such as counseling, clinical psychology, dance therapy, sandtray therapy, and music therapy. These modern approaches embody the energy of a new era, offering grounded support to help individuals stabilize their lives.
Assessing Whether Religious Power Is Used Wisely:
When conflicts arise among group leaders, it can easily escalate into a fight for power driven by human nature. Under fear, threats and temptations may emerge, luring followers to take the bait and willingly give up their money. People often experience anxiety and unease under pressure, but the body holds wisdom. When in doubt, take a moment to calm down and ask yourself whether you truly need to accept the guidance offered by religious figures.
2.
Some traditional “Shou-Jing” ( a way to calm one’s frightened soul, or retrieve it back to the body) include chanting mantras during rituals. When experiencing a significant blow or setback, it can feel like your heart is broken (one’s energy has shattered). If you are closely attuned to your own feelings, you can reconnect with yourself and offer a sense of security by gently patting your chest while calling your own name, much like a mother soothing a baby by patting their back or chest. This helps gather the fragmented parts of yourself that have drifted away.
Sometimes, these lost fragments become entangled with others, causing you to think of someone inadvertently—perhaps a person who once made you feel hurt. In such moments, try to bring yourself back. Wherever you are, in any situation, try to return to yourself.
3.
In terms of self-connection, activities like cooking, listening to music, gardening, or learning about coffee can help us discover things in life that interest us and that we’re willing to invest in. This has nothing to do with whether these pursuits bring significant financial gain. The relaxation and joy they bring during the process contribute to our inner peace, which leads to a sense of calmness, and stabilizes and completes our personal energy. The strength of this integration can even subconsciously attract the fragmented parts of ourselves back into wholeness.
Staying composed, engaged, and focused on things we love (focusing on life and the present moment) ⇒ stability ⇒ feeling that I can "control, express, and belong to myself."
"Life is a process where we can always organize ourselves, anytime and anywhere."
Regaining a sense of security and connecting with all our fragmented parts ⇒ reclaiming our power.
4.
Propensity = Habit = Karmic pattern (習性＝習慣＝業力)
Good patterns allow us to make clear choices, while bad ones such as violence, laziness, and hatred, tend to incite antagonies.
Due to the stagnation characteristic of habits, fortune-telling can gain insight into clients’ repeated patterns through their energy, which helps in understanding the direction of their future fortune and life events. By interpreting these messages, it tells the person the outcomes resulting from their habits.
On the other hand, Counseling is "Not giving you the answer because I believe you can adjust your own habits (or patterns). I will accompany you in observing what your habits (or patterns) are." Regardless of what these habits may be, the person can decide how they want to find the answers. Through professional training and years of case studies, counselors use a broad range of knowledge to analyze the person's state.
The difference between fortune-telling and counseling lies in the client’s expectations. People often hope to find a "life cure" through fortune-telling, but may lack the patience to explore themselves in counseling, or feel exhausted by the process of understanding their habits and blind spots through interpersonal interactions.
"The only one who can truly be patient with ourselves is ourselves."
Propensity = Habit = Karmic pattern (習性＝習慣＝業力)
Good patterns allow us to make clear choices, while bad ones such as violence, laziness, and hatred, tend to incite antagonies.
Due to the stagnation characteristic of habits, fortune-telling can gain insight into clients’ repeated patterns through their energy, which helps in understanding the direction of their future fortune and life events. By interpreting these messages, it tells the person the outcomes resulting from their habits.
On the other hand, Counseling is "Not giving you the answer because I believe you can adjust your own habits (or patterns). I will accompany you in observing what your habits (or patterns) are." Regardless of what these habits may be, the person can decide how they want to find the answers. Through professional training and years of case studies, counselors use a broad range of knowledge to analyze the person's state.
The difference between fortune-telling and counseling lies in the client’s expectations. People often hope to find a "life cure" through fortune-telling, but may lack the patience to explore themselves in counseling, or feel exhausted by the process of understanding their habits and blind spots through interpersonal interactions.
"The only one who can truly be patient with ourselves is ourselves."
5.
"Interacting with the spiritual realm is like opening a door. I can step out, but some wind might also blow in."
Compared to ordinary people, those with a heightened sixth sense or supernatural sensitivity have a clearer interaction with the spiritual realm and experience a new sensory perception of another world. They must manage the balance of energy flowing in and out.
The Cost of Bearing These Capabilities
Boundary 1 – The Body
When a medium is handling a situation, their energy may either be transferred to the client or dissipate externally. In such cases, the body can become an empty shell, leading to fatigue and an overwhelming burden, even causing spiritual possession. Over time, energy depletion in the body can lead to states of solitude, disability, and poverty.
Boundary 2 – The Mindset
Out of sympathy, one may reveal challenges that the other person should experience themselves, as if doing their homework for them, preventing them from learning the lessons they need. Over-sympathizing may also cause your energy to stuck with the other person, resulting in self-depletion.
One must maintain a balance of energy flowing in and out.
Out of sympathy, one may reveal challenges that the other person should experience themselves, as if doing their homework for them, preventing them from learning the lessons they need. Over-sympathizing may also cause your energy to stuck with the other person, resulting in self-depletion.
One must maintain a balance of energy flowing in and out.
6.
Everyone goes through tough periods at some point. When feeling negative, as if a black hole exists inside, try writing a list to bring awareness to your inner feelings and observe the origins of your emotions. Through self-soothing and external support, you can pull yourself back. Grounding and focusing on your breath can also help release agitation, panic, and stress, allowing you to channel them into Mother Earth through a deeper connection with your body.
"Negative energy is the vein of the Earth, while the Sun's energy is the artery of the Earth."
Qi is a form of light energy, while the body is a form of heavy energy. Through body sensations and mindful breathing, we can release negative energies of varying densities from our system.
■ Differences and Similarities
In terms of role, fortune-telling tends to provide direct and straightforward answers, carrying a stronger sense of authority. On the other hand, counseling not only upholds ethical and professional guidelines but also prioritizes the client’s autonomy.
Counseling:
１．The client is the center of counseling, with the therapist as partner to explore the journey together.
２．The client has the right to choose and decide throughout the process, allowing them to become more aware of their thoughts and transformations.
Traditional Fortune-Telling:
１．The client passively receives information, while the fortune-teller is the sole provider of insights.
２．The client has no control over the direction of the process or the form of the answers.
３．There are hidden costs from the spiritual realm (e.g., potential connections with ill-intentioned beings).
Similarities=> Both aim to help individuals soothe the inner traumas from their life struggles.
■ Conclusion
All approaches share the same essence—they explore how we make choices in life.
Each era carries its own perspectives, influenced by its cultural and historical background. Life can be as narrow or as vast as we allow it to be. I am the creator of my worldview, yet the worldviews of others can also flow into my own.
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Self-help → Seeking help from others → God helps
Only when we have the willingness to seek help can we be helped.
Only when we are open to caring for ourselves can we take in the nurturing energy or messages.
I am willing to accept support, and I trust in my own power to make choices and change my own life.
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以下，感謝網友時本的後續補充：
Credits to netizen 時本 for the QA summary and additional insights:
第一個人問：小湛的靈界世界觀怎麼整理出來的?
1st person: How did you sort out your view of the spiritual world?
小湛回答：主要透過寫日記及更高存有的互動，慢慢拓展世界觀，想知道更多請看小湛部落格。想探所靈界的話，就是睡覺及靜心。
Azure： Mainly through journaling and interactions with beings from higher dimensions, I gradually expanded my understanding of the spiritual world. For more details, please visit my blog. If you wish to explore the spiritual realm, it involves stillness in one’s mind and allowing yourself to sleep and rest.
(我自己聽了覺得第一個的問題，可以回答：小湛多年的觀察紀錄，才有整個世界觀。很像花了這麼多年去拼拼圖。)
(From my own understanding, the first question could be interpreted as: Azure built the view based on years of observation, much like piecing together a puzzle over many years.)
（第二位網友就單純分享個人經驗）
(The 2nd person simply shared their personal experience.)
第三個人問：問怎麼判斷哪些廟可以拜拜?
3rd person: How to tell which temples can be visited/worshiped?
小湛回答：請拜百年大廟，因為有信譽。
Azure: I recommend visiting temples that have been around for a century, as they have a strong reputation.
(相關文章Related article:https://skylikesun.blogspot.com/2019/02/blog-post_6.html?m=1)
(我自己聽了覺得重點穩固自己，天助自助者，信仰跟靈性當興趣，平常要去開創自己人生。)
(I think the key is to stabilize yourself. God helps those who help themselves. Treat religion and spirituality as interests, and focus on creating your own life path.)
第四個人問：怎麼選擇適合的靈性服務，請問治療師幫個案服務會不會有業力相關問題?
4th person asked: How to choose the right spiritual service for oneself? Is there any karmic issue when a spiritual therapist serves clients?
韻如老師：要相信自己的感覺，回來確認自己的感覺，如果覺得這個治療師不好，就不要選了，要對自己負責。
Yun-Ru：Trust your own feelings, come back to check how you feel. If you think the therapist isn’t right, don’t choose them, and take responsibility for yourself.
小湛回答：靈氣治療只做自己跟家裡的人。在物質界生活，請用物質界方式處理。例如:小湛會去作物理治療
Azure： Only practice Reiki for yourself and your family. Living in the material world, address matters with a material approach. For example, I go to a physical therapist for treatment.
(相關文章Related article: https://skylikesun.blogspot.com/....../blog-post_17......)
(我自己聽了覺得我也不敢做靈氣療癒，大家可以去小湛部落格看文章。)
(I personally don’t dare to do Reiki healing. You can refer to Azure’s blog for more articles.)
第五個人問: 怎麼如何保護自己及尋求管道?
5th person: How to protect yourself and find the right support channels?
(我自己聽了覺得聽感覺都是找正統管道會比較好，像是找有正常的證照的諮商師，或者可以上網站上找這個諮商師的經歷，及上心理諮商協會看這個諮商師有沒有被記錄，例如上法院之類記錄。)
(From my own understanding, it’s better to follow official support systems, such as a licensed counselor/psychologist, or checking the counselor’s experiences on the internet, as well as verifying if there are any records, such as court records.)
第六個人問： 如果我接受到意見，是高靈的還是我的腦袋想法?
6th person： If I receive a message of advice, how do I know if it’s from a higher being or just my own thoughts?
小湛回答：我現在傳遞訊息，會看當事者能不能接受我的建議，還是我自己想表達我的想法。如果會造成當事人受傷，我就不會講了。
Azure：When delivering messages, I assess whether the person is open to my advice or if it's simply me expressing my own thoughts. If it could cause harm to the person, I choose not to say it.
第七個人問： bjd 娃娃會不會卡到陰？?
7th person：Will BJD (Ball-Jointed Dolls) be possessed by negative beings?
小湛：如果平常，常常摸，你的能量會進到娃娃，所以你會宣示地盤，眾生就不敢靠近自己娃娃。如果沒常摸，就很像家裡平常偶爾卡蜘蛛網，但眾生都很小，就只是單純一起生活。
Azure: If you frequently touch your dolls, your energy will flow into the doll, creating your own "territory" where other beings won’t dare to approach. If you don’t touch the dolls often, It’s like areas that are rarely touched or visited in the house, where occasional spider webs appear—though the beings are small, they simply coexist peacefully.
第八個人問：靈性學習要系統性的還說自由的學。
8th person: Should spiritual learning be systematic or in free-form?
小湛：更高層次都有細膩安排，每個人都有個人經驗。可以有耐心走自己的路，整理自己的系統，讓別人可以知道。
Azure: Those are arrangements from higher dimensions; everyone has their personal experience. You can patiently walk your own path, sort out your own system, and make it understandable to others.
最後個Q&A：問的人是個幼兒老師，他覺得他們都在利用小孩來展現幼稚園多厲害。問的這些擔心有沒有業力。把幼兒來展現自己的價值。這樣會造成我的業力嗎？
Final Q&A：The person asking is a kindergarten teacher. She felt that the kindergarten is using kids as tools to showcase how great the kindergarten is. She wondered if this could bring karma to both the kindergarten and herself.
小湛：現在父母為了滿足自己私慾，但業力是傷害到別人。如果你看到這個行業險惡，那你可以思考你要不要成為這樣的人。或者我在這樣環境下要做什麼改變。
Azure： Parents today often act to satisfy their own desires, but the karmic impact harms others. If you recognize the darker side of the industry, take a moment to reflect on whether you want to become part of it, or what changes you would like to make in that environment.
下次主題：收驚跟諮商差別。
Topic Next Time: The difference between "Shou-Jing" (recalling a frightened soul) and counseling.
感謝SHARON找文章及和我一起在群組打問題~
(Thanks to SHARON for searching articles and asking questions together with me in the chat group.)
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